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A contribution from Patrick Bond on this issue ..<br>
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<td>Re: [DEBATE] : Re: [nigd-list] heads of state in the wsf?</td>
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<td>Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:30:24 +0200</td>
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<td>Patrick Bond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pbond@mail.ngo.za"><pbond@mail.ngo.za></a></td>
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<td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pbond@mail.ngo.za"><pbond@mail.ngo.za></a>, "debate: SA discussion list "
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<td>CACIM <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cacim@cacim.net"><cacim@cacim.net></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nigd-list@nigd.org"><nigd-list@nigd.org></a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ginavargas@telefonica.net.pe"><ginavargas@telefonica.net.pe></a>, Teivo Teivainen
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<td><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:1217779893.4895d8b5efdea@webmail.helsinki.fi"><1217779893.4895d8b5efdea@webmail.helsinki.fi></a><002a01c8f5a2$fb4f3b80$0a00000a@waterman></td>
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<pre>peter waterman wrote:
> ... I am appalled that whilst the embattled Zapatistas continue to be
> excluded, the argument below would allow for the possible presence of
> the head of a one-party dictatorship (addressed here by his first
> name!), and one condemned by feminists and (global) civil society - if
> not his courts - of raping his step-daughter.
Excellent sentiments, Peter.
And yet at some point an operative alliance between the likes of Chavez
and the global justice movement must be forged. Peter, you just want to
keep the WSF more pure? Fine, but where do you see inputting the vast
resources of states (at least those willing to consider social
movements' grievances and demands), and the integrity of many justice
movements' demands for more state social welfare? Having some exemplar
states around can only help.
But the bigger question (overdetermining the strategic one about
when/who to invite from State Power) is about politics: do the WSF
leaderships in various settings yet recognise the need for a more
programmatic orientation? What should such an orientation do to ensure
states are conceived of properly?
Cheers,
Patrick
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